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Really bad culture in there where people can look you right in the eye and say, i'm not prejudice, i'm not political, but they are? what is the problem? >> well, i was hopeful today to hear some straight answers from mr. miller. it didn't happen. so as the viewers watched and as the members of congress participated in the conversation and the exchange in questions and answers, it became very obvious very quickly that mr. miller was not there to take responsibility. in fact, he said, look, i'm not comfortable with the word "targeted." that didn't go on. he offered an apology. but then he offere...

From this administration, what's that mean? >> that's not coming from me. i didn't say that. what i'm saying is, look, i'm an old cop. i want to base my, what i say, on facts. and so -- >> good. >> -- today i was looking for facts from mr. miller. mr. miller did not provide any facts, chris. listen to the testimony. >> could i say -- let me say a word. >> there were no facts, mr. levin, that mr. miller provided to this country -- >> okay. >> -- as to why and how this criteria was applied. >> mr. reichart, you did a good job here. what do you want done here? i personally want to see the bad app...

Brushed the, in my opinion, just sort of brushed the issue aside. >> congressman, thank you. you've been around. i don't know what i saw. i certainly saw a disconnect today. that mr. miller guy. i don't know what -- it's like he didn't see what he knew people certainly right, left and center could see, that when you target particular groups, you're targeting particular groups. i mean, if this were on the other foot, andç this was a george w. administration, they were targeting groups that were calling themselves progressives, i would say it's prima facie evidence of targeting. i don't think ...

Only wants her voice and their voices heard? >> you get a letter from you folks, or a phone call. it's with terror you look at it. now this kind of reconfirms that, you know what, they can do almost anything they want to anybody they want, any time they want. >> the bottom line is for those looking, this is an audit, and it's helpful, but it's the tip of the iceberg. it's the tip of the iceberg. >> let me go to congressman reichart. is the problem, as you see it, the fact that we have an irs, the fact we have an internal revenue service that collects the federal income tax from individuals or ...

Example of it if it had nothing to doith the presidential influence at all? >> i don't think that's proven yet. plv >> sure you do. okay. here's the question. if you have no efs dense right now this friday of any white house involvement and don't have any evidence next week and the week after that, when do you stop accusing the white house of being corrupt in this regard? >> i'm not accusing -- >> at what point do you say, we don't have evidence? >> chris, i'm not accusing the white house of anything. i haven't made that statement at all. >> the culture of corruption from this administration, ...