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Eugene and shawna are here too. jeff, if you're michael cohen, representing michael cohen and you see this, what are you thinking? >> i think the message is clear that what is happening is the pardon power's morphing into if you have been charged with something similar to what michael cohen can be charged with, what flynn was charged with, what manafort was charged with, you may be getting a pardon. i think the message is, hey, guys, don't cooperate, stay low, eventually we can help you out. >> do you think it is that explicit the thought process in the president's mind ore sees folks on fox n...