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South koreans too but only in return for specific steps. so we need more than one meeting. if it leads to a plan and a program, that's all good. at least another promise by north korea. i think we have had that. >> calls for optimism? >> certainly calls for hope. you can't be optimistic on north korea. >> we haven't seen kim jong-un in a different mind space, that he has changed? >> well, i dealt with him, his father, and his grandfather. they were all different. but they all had in common the determination to make north korea able to stand on its own. that he has intensified. he's the one who...

Way he's handling this. when abby was talking, the thing i remember when it comes to trump, the twitter feed is him. right? everything else that comes out of the white house is sort of the form al mechanisms of government. his people, his aides. twitter feed is him. during hurricanes irma and harvey tons of tweets about those hurricanes, very focused on it clearly. it was taking up his mind space. now nfl, luther strange, that vote being today in alabama. nothing on the hurricane until last night. let's be honest. donald trump is a consumer of television. the criticism of him was starting to r...

And flows in terms of news reports and as details drip out as to where the probe is. but this is something that other people mentioned earlier that is a tremendous flash point for him, a tremendous point of frustration and often when it comes up, we see him sending out tweets about it. getting angry in private, lashing out publicly. so i think it occupies some mind space for this president. >> he's also fighting with some of his advisers or it seems that he's feeling chafed by some of his advisers. there's reports in your -- in your article right there that john kelly, the new rules that he's ...

Interesting is sort of definitely this week leading up to the foreign trip and even last week, basically if you saw blocked off the president's schedule b and the goal was to have a lot of briefers, a lot of deputies, a lot of senior administration officials, coming in and preparing him for this trip. and then, of course, the comey news kind of took over and it occupied as we all saw a huge portion of the president's sort of mind space, but my reporting does show that they have been sort of squeezing in some of these briefers and some of these briefings still. it's a process that has sort of b...

What is the right body for change. right? so part of what i'm wondering, even if we could get to now we decided this is a national emergency, we must do something about it, is it government policy or corporate culture that is the thing that we think must change? >> yeah. i totally agree with you. i had children in the '90s, but it occupies so much of your mind space, you drop off your child and cry to work, which i used to do. it occupies so much of your life that it does make life harder. but then you have -- >> that's when you have education and a spouse -- >> yes. that's working and bringin...