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The building this enormous facility in utah. got to be building it to store something. phone calls you don't need that. that raised a red flag to me and you say? if you take whatever your poison is, irs, tsa, bin gaze, whatever the situation is and you say what is our confidence that these rules oofer even ifner place not being violated especially if the entire program is secret. i would add that the existence of a 29-year-old it guy working at a private firm tsa or cia not having this information regardless of what you think of the information. >> access or not. let's be clear. >> but, wait. ...

Corrupt government officials have put out private data illegally. we saw that the irs hearing last week, did we not? the pro-traditional marriage organization that testified had data leaked to its enemies allegedly by an irs official. big problem. and that leaker must be arrested and charged soon. so it is obvious that if the government is gathering communications, information from americans, that information could be illegally used. now, the phone calls it's not much of a problem because the government isn't taping the calls, it's just chronically time and place. in the name of national secur...

Nsa building an enormous complex, 25 miles south of salt lake city to mine data. that is ultra serious. a leaker named edward snowden gave information to the far left london newspaper the guardian saying the u.s. government is taking information from tech companies in order to fight the war on terror. snowden will be arrested if he doesn't get asylum in a country that does not have an extradition treaty with the u.s.a. he should be arrested even what he did may ultimately be a good thing. you can't have americans leaking national security information, that would be an arcky. if snowden thinks ...

Committee, the senate intelligence committee. you don't trust the judges on the fisa court. >> bill: okay. were you in a coma last week for the irs testimony? were new a coma last week for the irs it testimony? you have federal officials -- >> -- you know, that has nothing to do with this. nothing. >> bill: of course it does. you had federal officials working for the irs being paid by the federal government who are illegally mining information about conservative and conservative groups and giving it to their opponents. that's a crime. you are telling me i should trust the federal government. w...

Dragnetting all this information. >> bill: where are you getting that from though. >> part of the problem this is all secret so we cannot -- karl probably can't tell us if he knows. >> bill: we don't know the whistleblower in hong kong says that's happening and rove says it isn't happening. we don't know. >> at least the phone stuff is not very targeted and is domestic. i have an issue with that a little bit beyond what you do. >> bill: no, no. >> hold 00 not just because there is distongues you can do a lot with data now than you could bill political. >> got it rope to protect us and phone th...