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Of -- the let me clarify for you. we are coming out of the european union, we are taking back control of our borders, our laws, our money, we want to be a great free trading nation again, we want to do our own thing and run our own economic policy, have our own legislative program. what you have to understand about the european union, it involves trying to create a federal organization out of 28 countries in a way that i think the united states would never accept. we're talking now about the way the united states acts in the world and you see some very, very strong and original decisions by th...

Telling her the truth. no press secretary likes that. that's a very big point of friction inside a white house. i imagine you can see something like that happening or playing out in the days to come. >> so, i was talking the other day on friday to jack quinn, one of big clinton's white house counsel in the '95, '97, premonica but the middle of white water. jack made this point, president clinton at the time attacked not himself but he had a whole operation set up. that was set up so that mike mccurry could stand at the white house podium and never have to take questions that would get him into...

Bob mueller but the people that work for him. they're way over the top. when you look at the questions they profound, what do you think? what do you feel? it's like come on in and commit perjury. >> unless you just tell the truth, john heilemann. where do we begin with this? >> where would you like to begin? >> i -- i can't -- what the heck is going on? why would they let this guy continue? why is he even there? >> i think two things are going on -- more than two but i'll focus on two. minor point, which is laughable to hear rudy giuliani accusing bob mueller of heavy-handed tactics. anybody w...

Three reasons. number wone, which committee do you want me to talk to -- judiciary, government affairs, intel? do you want me to talk to the senate, the house? this is about the dysfunction of the congress. how many conversations am i going to have? second, have you coordinated this with director mueller? how am i suppose d to talk to yu and then go talk to the federal investigator over at the fbi. and third and final, when i walk into the oval office tomorrow and the president wants to have a confidential conversation about an intelligence issue and he says, are you going to go talk on nation...

Walk into the oval office tomorrow and the president wants to have a private conversation, are you going to talk on national tv about this? one minor point. they made a huge mistake at the outset. as soon as they said we weren't pressured but we won't talk, they opened the door. you either close it or open it. you don't start by saying no pressure, but i won't say what the conversation was. >> what i thought was remarkable, there's dan coats who spent decades in the senate. he would never have accepted that answer if he were on the other side asking those questions, and he knows better. and it...