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Perry -- it's not -- i'm not betting it's going to happen. but look. using -- to over extend the football metaphor if you ask me who is going to win the super bowl i'll probably tell you the green bay packers but guess what? tim tebow and the denver broncos could potentially do it. >> yeah. and the caucus system makes it all the more difficult. we've just got out a new nbc news maris poll in the state of iowa that shows mitt romney and ron paul reflecting what other polls have shown lately neck and neck at the front of the pack followed by rick santorum at 15% and you mentioned rick perry's na...

But guess what? tim tebow and the denver broncos could potentially do it. >> we just got out a new nbc marist poll in the state of iowa that shows mitt romney, ron paul reflecting some other polls lately, neck and neck at the front of the pack, followed by rick santorum at 15%, and perry's name right there by santorum. gingrich has fallen 15 points since december 4th, downç to 1. what do you make of the numbers? >> sort of like the other poll earlier this week where mitt romney's on top, ron paul is second, santorum is third. but if you look at the margin of error and plus or minus 4.7, i th...