You start there. those people presumably some of them may tell you the truth because they are concerned about their own exposures. so maybe like cassidy hutchinson, which is they were brought up well, which is they believe in the mirror test, which is going home and being able to look at themselves in the mirror. there are other people, and there appears to be a case with mr. nauta and mr. de oliveira, who are concerned more about loyalty to their boss, about money, about their future, and they are thinking you know what, i might be able to escape because i might get a pardon or some other bel...