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Rest of the country, but it just goes to show -- and again, it wasn't defiance or hubris. it was just because they're used to it, and they weren't going to interrupt their lives, and because they didn't believe the western prognostications. >> it's just -- it's an amazing aspect of all this i think we'll talk about for a long time. nbc's matt bradley, thank you so much for staying up. thank you for your reporting. please stay safe for us. joining our conversation, msnbc senior national security have intelligence analyst, former cia director john brennan is here. also joining us, nola hanes, di...

Hadine in the '80s inside of afghanistan, that's a good thing. not sure i would go as far as colonel vinman proposed. that would make ukraine sound too much like a nato member and may cause a reaction from the ru russians that would push this over the borders. i agree with getting them as much they can right now. >> when you see some of this awful video where homes are destroying in areas where zero militarily significant infrastructure, this has to look intentional to you, that putin is bombing civilian areas to gain leverage over this country. >> well, i would say if it's not intentional, it...

Relief. more than 1.5 million people have managed to escape from ukraine into neighboring countries, but even in relative safety, the pain remains. as we said before, this is putin's war. alex joins me now from near kyiv. alex, you were in a village near kyiv earlier today. nowhere near military targets, yet it has been hit by a strike. this is what we're seeing across ukraine. tell us what you saw. >> reporter: this was a village about 15 miles south of kyiv and when you're in the downtown kyiv and you hear all the explosions happening on the outskirt of the

Dependent on it. if we want to completely isolate russia economically, we have to surround them in all different ways. and because putin only can move forward, our only real option here is that he stalls out for lack of money. this war is costing him billions of dollars a day and he doesn't have that much money left because most of the money he has in his central bank is frozen. and so we have -- there is a chance if we do this right, if we do it aggressively and don't leave him with loopholes. >> do you see that the oligarchs are at all influential to putin? their families feeling the pain fr...

Putin's actions cannot go unpunished. >> we have seen russian military operations inside the territory of ukraine on a scale that europe has not seen in decades. day after day i've been clear that such unilateral measures are wrong, it is against the charter, it is unacceptable but it is not irreversible. i repeat my appeal to president putin, stop the military operation. bring the troops back to russia. >> with me now jill dougherty live in moss can you tonight, also with me mike lyons and gloria borger. let me start with you, jill, and what you're seeing. the sanctions that came out are robu...