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Saying about the speaker tonight she may be softening toward impeachment. investigations sparked by the mueller report are far from over. that much we know. don mcgahn, he of former white house counsel fame, remains at the top of the democrats' witness list. mcgahn sat with mueller, you'll remember, 30-plus hours. his name is mentioned 500-plus times in the report. most notably in this detail, volume 2, juns of 2017. "the president called mcgahn, directed him to have the special counsel removed. so there's that. democrats say that's proof of attempt obstruction of justice. white house instruct...

His report, and none of the powerful points in his report really came through today. >> joyce vance, because these are human beings we're talking about, i found myself thinking about his family and friends watching today and wondering what they made of it. this turns to what you made of it. do you think he did his own work justice? >> you know, this was a difficult day for a number of reasons, and mueller was careful to state at the outset that he was there as a prosecutor. and i think by that he meant he had to operate under the ethical and practical constraints that prosecutors operate under...

Sure. i just feel like from the moment that the mueller report dropped, when bill barr took control of the situation and an exercise of incredibly raw naked political power, seized that report, mischaracterized it, turned it into propaganda, kept it from democrats, that we will look back on this in history and say at that moment democrats needed to step forward and take control and fight. then three months ago, four months ago, april, whatever it was, and that everything that's happened since then, the attenuation of this, the stalling, the lag time, the energy has just dissipated. despite the...

The very next step either tomorrow or friday is we're going into court to enforce -- to ask for the grand jury material and to enforce the subpoena against mr. mcgahn. and that's particularly important because the excuses, and i won't call them reasons, the excuses that the white house gives for mcgahn not testifying, the nonsense about absolute immunity, et cetera, are the same excuses for all the other fact witnesses. and if we break that, we'll break the logjam. >> it's not clear whether mueller's testimony moved the needle either way on impeachment. it was interesting to hear jackie speier...

Findings. we saw a stark contrast today between a professional prosecutor and professional politicians. and now we have a choice to make. are we going to choose the facts or are we going to choose the drama? and i don't think any of that would have changed depending on the age of the prosecutor. >> josh, another way of putting some of this is the mueller report came out not attuned to the age of the internet. today's televised hearing was not quite attuned to the age of television. did mueller's refusal to declare that the president was exonerated, for example, get lost in the word salad over ...