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Kids and her family loving all the attention. so that's part of it. but i think she's serious, at least about iowa for sure. she's from iowa, she's strongly anti-abortion. she's right on all the issues with a lot of the likely republican caucus attenders in  iowa. and depending on the poll you read, half of those people are evangelical christians. and she is with them point by point by point. she could make a big play in iowa whether we, you know, inside the beltway take her seriously or not. >> you know, i think, ron, just in terms of television values. if you get four stiff guys up there, b...

Evangelical christians. and she is with them point by point by point by point. she could make a big play in iowa whether we, you know, inside the beltway take her seriously or not. >> you know, i think, ron, just in terms of television values. if you get four stiff guys up there, boring-looking guys. they'll either be looking at he themselves because of some sort of, i don't know, misery loving, or they'll look at her because she might say something really wild. she will be the wild cannon out there, seems to me. >> yeah, and if you're a democrat or someone who supports the democratic party, y...