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Better at protecting america, but we didn't call them scandal scandals. >> there are no facts that prove that. >> eric: listen to me. homegrown terror, could i be considered a scandal? >> no. >> eric: why not? americans were dying. it's not happening here. how is that not scandalous? >> how was the genocide and syria a scandal? do we call the genocide in a scandal under george w. bush? >> so many mismanagement problems. bingo george bush did not react to sedan. don't deflect, is the same thing. how is it different?

To happen, but i can tell you that it's just a sense of frustration that for the public to hear this, whatever, our committee has been asking for much of this information for quite some time. chairman jeff miller has done a wonderful, professional, ethical job. but the point being here is we've asked for months. >> you say for months, but we've known for years. candidate obama talked about this, nancy pelosi brought up the issue when democrats were trying to run the house in '06. problems at the v.a., particularly mismanagement problems at the v.a. have been known for years. i ask you how are ...

Their families who sacrificed so much. i know systems are improving. i get that. but when you've got what we do know, and we do need to get the fact, let's see what happened, why it happened, how it happened, then we have to fix them. then we have to fix them. >> do you see sufficient urgency that bureau ra si numbs people in washington. you just surrender. do they have the attention now we can deal with the political ramifications later? the federal leadership ready to take on the bureaucracy? >> there is willingness on this issue in washington. what's important for people to know is that the...