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Then i think we're in a whole new world of bringing urgency to those diplomatic pressures. julie: okay. kim jong un came out, in fact, and said if the united states decides to strike, they will come to the united states. while it does not currently have a transatlantic type of missile that could potentially carry a nuclear warhead on it, there is a concern there. should be -- should we be worried? >> see, what i've always worried about as someone that's followed this issue for a long time, and i've been to north korea a few times myself over the years, the key question is not what north korean...