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War, you think it could take a million or more americans? >> i do. i think we have to bring back the draft to occupy afghanistan and completely suppress islamic fundamentalism would take a lot of troops. this wasn't a military defeat in afghanistan in any sense. it was a political defeat because these people have defaulted to islam. the same goes for syria, iraq and yemen. we are having al qaeda in yemen. can the united states sustain a presence in the middle east to this degree? i do think it would take a million troops. i don't think the american people would stand for it. how long would it ...

Providing counterterrorism support, training support and advisors on the ground, but i think the americans would not stand for a million troops on the ground and i don't think it will take that much. it may take a million local forces doing the fighting. we need to support them, but i don't think it will take a million americans to help with that. >> final word, bob. >> the problem is the locals. i don't trust them. i don't trust the afghans. the afghans caused that raid in kunduz against the hospital, bad information. we have no allies in iraq we can trust. the shiia government we can't. same...

I can tell you that there is a lot of patience and fight in that man. you can tell when a candidate is deflated. the jeb bush i saw sunday is anything but deflated. he is going to stay on this he's got conviction, money and structure and a plan. >> all right. thanks very much to both of you. "out front" next, joe biden. firing back. >> run, joe, run. >> he says this is an offensive report. we have a story. >> outrage over the cargo ship lost with 28 americans onboard. why the ship stayed on its deadly force into a category 4 hurricane. moderate to severe crohn's disease is tough, but i've ma...

Tonight new pictures of debris from the missing cargo ship that vanished after sailing straight into the eye of hurricane joaquin at a category 4 level. the coast guard is scouring the waters off the bahamas for the 28 missing americans onboard. they just released these images. the ship was ripped apart by the category 4 storm. rescue crews are holding out hope for survivors. ntsb is on the scene investigating why this happened. why was that ship even in that water to begin with? . >> reporter: these are just some of the missing crew members of the container ship "el faro."

>> i think that would be i would be surprised if he were to get directly involved in the race between two people he is very close to personally and people who served him very loyally. people he considers friends. two people he believes would be excellent presidents and excellent nominees. my guess is he would not get involved. we'll see how the race plays itself out. >> it sure will be interesting to see. dan, thank you so much. >> thank you. the first democratic debate, you see it on the screen is next week right here on cnn. be sure to watch next tuesday night. it begins at 8:30. "out fr...