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Decision to run for president of haiti. we're back with sharks. hypothetically, if a shark was coming at you or you were thinking of swimming in a great body of water, i actually have a list of things that people on this particular website about shark attacks have said. always swim in a group because i guess if you're swimming alone, they think you are a sea lion or seal. is that correct? avoid the water at night, dawn or dusk. is that correct? >> dawn and dusk are peak feeding times for sharks. good time to avoid. >> don't enter the water if you are bleeding. >> it's a gimme. >> i think that ...

Videotaped your wife with this man which you then watched streamlined at work. correct? >> i could have. i didn't use it to that degree, but it was set up and ready to go type thing. it was more physically chatting on the computers is what sealed it for me. >> ken, you didn't actually watch videotape of your wife having sex with another man? >> no, no, no. >> okay. >> it wouldn't have gotten that far. that's for sure. >> yeah. well, it's -- i went on your website, and it's -- it's basically people who have been cheated on writing their stories of how they dealt with infidelity. now, it's gotte...

To them. a mistress is very much like a wife setting up with a man who's -- >> except you're the mistress. you know a person is married. >> this is a dishonest wife. she's a liar. >> holly, you need a -- >> can i answer the question or not? >> all right. i need to take over. as much fun as it is to watch the big cockfight out here, i want to ask ken, have you found as a support group your website has really worked? do people comment to each other, befriend each other and say, i went through the same thing and this is how i'm dealing with it? >> a lot of people go on the website, thousands read...

Because i was with someone who was cheating. i think that negotiating within your relationship about being allowed to cheat is absurd. >> holly, it's one of the things -- i'm married. and one of the things i think of in my marriage, i can go to my girlfriends for emotional support or my shrink and there are other venues where i can get what i want. i feel marriage, the one thing i have with my husband, which is sacred, is a sexual physical relationship. otherwise, why be married? >> i guess the only reason it's sacred is because it's -- there's old-fashioned rules that we're obeying. if you wa...

Been brokenhearted because they had an affair with a married man and wanted to be with a married man? am i right? >> absolutely. and first of all, thanks for having me on. i can resonate with holly, i've been through certain similar experiences that she has. i have to say, if you're negotiating with somebody, you're probably in the wrong relationship. anything that needs that much negotiation probably isn't right and you should get out of it. that's who my website is about, that's what my support group is about. it's called mistresses anonymous, which is like alcoholics anonymous. in my group ...