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>> she says ask brett. you all tried to speak with cavanaugh. he set terms for an interview and what happened with that? >> we just couldn't come to an agreement about the ground rules. we wanted to talk to him on the record for the book or at least in some could inform the book. it was important we say he declined to be interviewed and we couldn't do that if there was going to be a conversation at all about what was in the book. >> if a source wants to talk to you only in secret you cannot then say he declined to talk? >> certainly not at the center of the book. >> i think we all know, brian,...

That conversation with ukraine, he said highest level, highest level, never inappropriate or always appropriate, that's him. and, you know, he's got william barr, his attorney general in his ear, a guy that has spent his life writing about the powers of the presidency should be expanded. that's where all of this is going. that's the long game. short game he needs an enemy during this campaign to get re-elected and he doesn't have welcome. and his talk about the radical democrats socialists on the left isn't going so well. he gets automatic praise from his base when he pounds the press and figh...

Any article that doesn't state at the outset is misleading readers and viewers. that is a message from the campaign. is the campaign doing enough? look, i asked a spokesperson to come on this program and speak today. they declined. biden never sat down for a sunday show interview all yearlong. i wonder if they're doing enough to combat trump. >> first of all the trump strategy and you talked about it, and you talked about it brian as well, is deny, deflect, attack. we have moved into the attack phase. so their strategy is now to try to put the onus on joe biden to, in fact, distract and attack...

Presidents. that's the way it should be. and then there was trump's comment. he said to reporters in air force one, quote, i never met her. she never treated me nicely, but i would like to wish her family well. she was a professional, and i respect professals. have you ever seen evidence that president trump respects professional reporting? all right. let's talk more about this. david is here the media critic for the baltimore sun. it got me thinking about this loss of mutual respect, this loss of a sort of willingness to see each other as human beings between the press and politicians. it see...

Contempt or their subpoenas. they now marked the house. corey lewandowski spit in the face of the house and there is nothing to happen to him. if you read the right wing media, he was a hero. they want to do that to the press. if they can do that to the press and mock us to the point that people don't take us seriously and we don't back up our effort, if we don't show integrity, if we don't have some teeth in our reporting they will do it. and, brian, we will the last best hope between trump and an imperial presidency. the book was based on fdr lbj but wrote during the nixon administration and...