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particularly for students and even more so for younger students. let me explain. we've been talking about this idea for some time. it's now official from the cdc. but they're specifically saying for all students, elementary school students, they can maintain just three feet apart when mask use is universal regardless of what is happening with community transmission. that's for elementary school students. so that's going to be a big deal. but they also say, kate, that for middle school and high school students, they should still maintain at least six feet apart if the community tr tra...

Won't go away? >> i'm going to say a word thatg on. preparedness. we should be in a constant state of preparedness. you used to hear me talk about vigilance. i'm not saying to let the vigilance go, but preparedness is where we are right now. and preparedness means that you are using multiple mitigation layers and strategies. you are masking in higher risk situations, that you are being vaccinated and boosted because of the emergence of variants where there is some immunic state, that you have access to antivirals and rapid testing. those strategies are under the banner of preparedness and that...

Available testing for the entirety of this pandemic, and we still have not done it right. why? >> right. so i think for many reasons. we've had a chronically underfunded public health system that was one reason, and we treated testing especially rapid tests as sort of a medical tool when it's a public health tool. it doesn't need to go through the fda and bureaucracy of that sort of approval process. that's one reason. we also don't have a robust testing infrastructure. that speaks to how decentralized our health care system is. we still are behind almost two years out and we know that testing...

Increases your chance of getting infected by five times, getting sick by ten, hospitalize or dying by ten. so before travel, get vaccinated. if you are going to travel, travel to places that have high vaccination rates, low transmission rates and of course, taking all the mitigation layers while you are traveling. masking, keeping a rapid test with, you will really make the holiday travel much safer. >> should i, if i have relatives in the south, should i just avoid seeing them this holiday season, based on the infection rate? >> here is where i would say. it is the risk you are willing to tak...