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Rate and broaden the base of taxation. it's done in 1986 by ronald agan and tip o'neil in bipartisan way. what the economists right, left or center may have to do. we may have different opinions how to do it. but they believe it will result in the economic growth. that's why romney doing that will create 7 million new jobs. pro-growth policy. >> bret: don't you think they are making some headway in saying well, what exactly are you going to take off the table? mortgage deduction? charitable deduction? >> it's making headway because they spend hundreds of millions of dollars on ads and they hav...

Mitt romney has. they're flying by the seat of their pants. they have smart people who have worked in politics. they just don't have the ammunition behind them. i think they don't know for sure. but i do think that they feel they've gotten enough out tonight, north dakota to go with tennessee and oklahoma that they can go fight in the south next week, go to alabama and mississippi, get on television and try to make mitt romney prove that he deserves the nomination of a party that is founded on conservative ideology and rick santor sum doing better among very conservative people. and that's -- ...

He's been talking to the santorum campaign specifically about ohio. we don't know who has won. how does the santorum campaign feel about what they're seeing so far in terms of results? >> well, rachel, i just got off the phone with rick santorum's campaign manage r who's in stubenville in the gymnasium and the candidate just got done speaking. they're upstairs looking at their computer screens. what he told me is that they are waiting for some of their strong votes to come in, especially from counties in the northwestern part of the state. i'm looking at a map of ohio, including williams count...

Make a bigger deal out of this thing that the candidate mentioned in the speech tonight, which is that this long process, it being drawn out is making him stronger. is it implicitly rebutting the allegation that the primary campaign is making for a weaker general election? but also sort of making the case that have a lot of candidates banging around in this primary, it's a good thing for republicans. are they sticking with that? is that part of their central message right now because they don't want somebody like newt gingrich skip out. >> he's trying to make chicken salad out of the situation...

About half the vote in cuyahoga is in, romney leads by almost 9,000 votes in that county. he's got to do better if they're counting on cuyahoga to do it. this race is clearly going to go on, even if mitt romney manages to win ohio. i also talked to the santorum strategist tonight. they said they have a million dollars cash on hand, they're beginning to buy tv time tomorrow in kansas, alabama and mississippi. having won in the south, having competed on near even terms in ohio. maybe even winning ohio. they have an argument to keep this thing going. and one of the questions is going to be, does ...