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Worse than we think it is. we don't know, it seems to me, what oversight, if any, they had over bp in those early day, though the coast guard was on the scene, yon at what level the epa was overseeing it? do you know that? >> to a degree i know it. because this is such a politicized atmosphere. people have to understand, president obama has been for offshore drilling, for it in the 2008 campaign, just weeks before the bp oil spill, he was encouraging more oil exploration and possibly offshore drilling in places like virginia, florida, alaska. in addition to that, your earlier report on mms sho...

Over bp in those early day, though the coast guard was on the scene, yon at what level the epa was overseeing it? do you know that? >> to a degree i know it. because this is such a politicized atmosphere. people have to understand, president obama has been for offshore drilling, for it in the 2008 campaign, just weeks before the bp oil spill, he was encouraging more oil exploration and possibly offshore drilling in places like virginia, florida, alaska. in addition to that, your earlier report on mms show, they were being lax, turning a bit of blind eye at mms and letting companies like bp not...