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I never felt agr greggressed in way. >> you thought bob mueller's investigators were fair? >> yes. >> did you ever see bob mueller during your interview? >> my interview was in chicago, with the fbi agents in chicago. we were in coordination with washington with a microphone. >> and how long did the interview last? >> two hours or so. >> and what did they want to know? ? >> if i had information, even concerning me personally, and my experience, my background was interesting because i used to work for the european parliament, i was extremely nervous. it was very wild, i said, okay, i go by myse...

Meeting, i don't know that we can assume that people will be smarter criminals that they actually are sometimes. but i think, you know, largely this is -- i think largely you're probably right, that it won't be that direct a connection, but i think the point is right, look, bob mueller wants to get to the bottom of this, he wants to follow this money, not just where the money is from, but where it was spent, was this money spent in the u.s. to somehow interfere with the election? was it used to fun some of the social media efforts? or is it just used for other diplomatic or espionage purposes ...

Interview? >> it was interesting to me when you asked the question whether he had been a freelancer. because you know the trump campaign and trump white house has tried to distance himself, and people have called him a coffee boy doing things on his own. we know from bob mueller's own filings that for months, it wasn't just a couple of times, for months throughout the campaign and into august of 2016, george popadopoulos kept trying to make contact with russian government officials and at one point was even trying to set up what he called a back channel communication with putin's office. now t...

>> steve bannon. >> very interesting. >> very interesting? michael caputo. >> michael caputo. the copyrights, i would grant him the copyrights to the coffee boy. >> donald trump. >> the president. >> bob mueller. >> special prosecutor to me is the key of the -- >> the key? >> yes, the one that will give us, all of us, at some point, a lecture on what happened. >> you think bob mueller will ultimately get the answers? >> i think so, yes. >> simona, i know you have been through a difficult situation. >> very difficult. >> i appreciate you coming in and taking the question. >> thank you very much...

While ignoring, what zerlene is saying, which is are the real world impacts, so you're having two things happening at once, you're having a more explicit racism, which is reaching out to a certain constituency, but you're also having the government will us into this fantasy zone where whatever trump says is the truth and the media no longer matters. >> and that goes to the more famous point that keeping it real can go wrong. we're out of time because we have that next interview, zerlene, i want you to come back next week, consider this your invitation. up next, our special interview, exclusi...