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About everything, i assume to protect a father-in-law or whatever -- whoever he's still trying to protect. >> you know, the interesting thing is, you know -- in mob cases they always wrap up the accountant. weisselberg's testifying. then they wrap up the consigliere. michael cohen is that figr for the last ten, 12 years of donald trump's life. there are a lot of webs that he had a hand in, and a lot of those what you're going to have are things going to peel back and open up new avenues of investigation they do not want opened up. >> michael, do you think the fact he's still not a full guantan...

And glen kirschner, former federal prosecutor. there's -- you know, 350e7ival used very strong language. mob tactics is something members of congress have said. as a federal prosecutor, what do you think? >> it is mob tactic. i it don't think that's hyperbole. i did mob cases for 15 years and this is right out of their playbook. >> so you had a cooperating witness and someone else would publicly tell that person. >> this is why it's harder for people to maybe see. so i think glen and i have both used this analogy, this hypothatical to explain it. if i was prosecuting a mob boss and one of his ...

From him. >> meanwhiles there trr a growing concern about the president's obvious witness tampering. what they're describing as mob tactics in front of all of our faces. and glen kirschner, former federal prosecutor. there's -- you know, 350e7ival used very strong language. mob tactics is something members of congress have said. as a federal prosecutor, what do you think? >> it is mob tactic. i it don't think that's hyperbole. i did mob cases for 15 years and this is right out of their playbook. >> so you had a cooperating witness and someone else would publicly tell that person. >> this is wh...

So you can't prosecute me. and of course prosecutors are skilled at getting phone conversations and understanding who's giving the orders and who's benefitting from whatever's going on with the criminal activity and that's how these cases are made and that's how the guy at the top of the organization gets prosecuted every time. giuliani knows this, it's so it's disingenuous to say trump was at a box at the top of the campaign and didn't know what his underlings were going on. that's contrary from everything we've heard from trump who says he knew absolutely everything that everyone was doing. ...

>> it's the president, if it's to be believed, to the federal drug enforcement authorities in mexico, state and local police that were frustrating the united states from even being able to capture them at certain times, turning them away, judges being bribed, it went everywhere. so this is like something that you really can't believe. i have to be honest with you, these agents that went in there and entinterdicted and toughing right now, i've seen mob cases, this is the real deal because they have a lot of money to buy power if it's to be believed. >> shepard: with the pace of the trial, when ...