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His reputation. he really did neither of those things. he rejected the core of the anti-doping agency report that he bullied other riders into doping. that he led a ring of bikers who doped in the sport. yet, at the same time, he admitted to bullying people in terms of lawsuits. he admitted to bullying people, as he said, into making sure he could control the narrative. i mean, rick riley, for espn, he described it like watching a hitman for the mob pick his teeth while talking about the people he killed. i don't think that's a good night for lance armstrong. >> all right. so again, dave, in a...

>> well, yeah, it is and isn't. it is only high security until the participants walk out the door and -- let their stories be known. susan is correct. mubarak -- there's no way you can solve this thing with mubarak in place. what the -- secretary of state is saying -- look, let's try to make this so it is a rational transition and you are not going to turn place over to chaos. i don't believe it will go into chaos. they have to be more forceful in the kinds of steps that they take now to prove to the people of egypt that mubarak is not coming back. this is the end of this tu particular regime....

How can you leak out the situation? isn't that supposed to be the high security room? >> it's only high security until the participants walk out the door and let their stories be known. susan is correct. mubarak -- there is no way you can solve this thing with mubarak in place. what the secretary of state is saying is let's try and make this so it's a rational transition and you're not going to turn the play over to chaos. i don't believe it will go over into chaos but they have got to be more forceful to prove to the people that mubarak is not coming back. this is the end of this particular r...

>> it's only high security until the participants walk out the door and let their stories be known. susan is correct. mubarak -- there is no way you can solve this thing with mubarak in place. what the secretary of state is saying is let's try and make this so it's a rational transition and you're not going to turn the place over to chaos. i don't believe it will go over into chaos but they have got to be more forceful to prove to the people of egypt that mubarak is not coming back. this is the end of this particular regime. >> you know, my concern trying to figure out what is best for us, bes...

High security room? >> it's only high security until the participants walk out the door and let their stories be known. susan is correct. mubarak -- there is no way you can solve this thing with mubarak in place. what the secretary of state is saying is let's try and make this so it's a rational transition and you're not going to turn the play over to chaos. i don't believe it will go over into chaos but they have got to be more forceful to prove to the people that mubarak is not coming back. this is the end of this particular regime. >> you know, my concern trying to figure out what is best f...