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Leading and making tough decisions. and whether or not we have this debate in october or november or december, the larger issue here, the fact we spend as a nation more than $300 billion a year just on the interest on the debt, just on the interest, the vig if we were taking this out from a loan shark, it is unsustainable and it is a perfect example of bipartisan irresponsibility. >> when you put it in mob terms, it does put it in perspective, jake. so i appreciate that. >> i figured that would hit you where you live. >> exactly. we said too much already. look, so dick durbin, senate judiciary...

Was part of the broad are al qaeda setup before being detained in pakistan ant sent to guantanamo. phil mud, what do you think? this level of recidivism as has been called prisoner released they go back and commit terror acts. >> i would sigh level of recidivism is high. the significant here is pretty straightforward. you have two guys who would be considered in mob terms made men. they're trusted not only by the sh given the flow of foreign fighters into places like syria and iraq the damage could have been significant. we're talking about thousands of people from going from europe into syria...