Screws medicare, screws medicaid, cuts the very vital services you're talking about. now, it's good politically, oh, we're going to tax the rich. at the end it produces less money and hurts everyone. >> i'm not sure if bp and exxon mobile will -- will be hurt too much by a few more taxes. >> all right. jamal -- >> actually, we have the largest corporate taxes in the world. >> we'll have to leave it there. a debate that is going to continue obviously a lot of people watching this stories closely. fundamentally a very different view, fundamentally a very different view, of the role of the govern...