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Al-qaeda. there are evidentiary issues that are revealed to the defense, because they need that in a prosecution, and that can end up doing you harm. i'm a strong believer in the criminal justice system and believe it can be an effective tool as it has been in the zazi case. i just don't think it's a cookie can you te cutter where it works in every single case. >> jack, you're not suggesting every single terrorism case. if i heard you correctly, you are saying there are some instances where you would have to look at a military tribunal, correct? >> i think you're correct. >> give me the circum...

Civilian courtrooms, the procedural rules in civilian courtrooms. there have been more than 300 people prosecuted incyvil civil courtrooms effectively. we shouldn't run away from those just because some people want to be tough on terrorism. >> fran, why don't you respond. >> that is the classic example of a case that's not been tried, in my judgment as a former prosecutor, in the federal justice system. interestingly enough, andrew mccarthy, who ran the blind case and understands this issue as well, has been very clear that he, who has prosecuted a terrorist case, doesn't believe it's proper f...