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Why is that changing? >> well, i mean, there's a lot that's changing. first of all, the more science we know, the more we know how difficult it is, for example, for the universe to exist. not just for life to exist. so in one chapter in the book i talk about how difficult it is for life to exist. but another chapter i talk about how the more the kos moll gists and physicists know about what happened at the big bang, the more of them who are atheists are having their atheism shaken by what they see. it's not they believe in god but they know the atheistic view that we got here by random forces ...

Why is that changing? >> well, i mean, there's a lot that's changing. first of all, the more science we know, the more we know how difficult it is, for example, for the universe to exist. not just for life to exist. so in one chapter in the book i talk about how difficult it is for life to exist. but another chapter i talk about how the more the kos moll gists and physicists know about what happened at the big bang, the more of them who are atheists are having their atheism shaken by what they see. it's not they believe in god but they know the atheistic view that we got here by random forces ...