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I would like to see a change in the prison system. i would like to see it not reflecting, for those who are not murderers, in my opinion, can just go break rocks. the ones who are unrepentant. but the ones in there for other kinds of crime, they shouldn't be in a system that looks just like the criminal neighborhood where they came out of. where they're lifting weights and forming gangs. they should be in a more monastery system that's more peaceful, where they change their whole mind and thinking. get more education. >> larry: judge, how do people learn more about p.e.e.r.? >> they can call o...

Clean, work on the psychological aspects that made them a drug user in the first place. >> larry: pat, you don't disagree, pat, with the judge having this p.e.e.r. system of trying to help people come out, do you? >> not at all. i do think that's a necessity. but i think we're confused over who does it and who doesn't. i would like to see a change in the prison system and see it not reflecting for those who are not murderers, who can just go break rocks, who are unrepentant, the others just don't go where they're going to an environment they came out of. more of a monastery system, where they ...

The prison system. i would like to see it not reflecting, for those who are not murderers, in my opinion, can just go break rocks. the ones who are unrepenitent. but the ones in there for other kinds of crime, they shouldn't be in a system that looks just like the criminal neighborhood where they came out of. where they're lifting weights and forming gangs. they should be in a more monastery system that's more peaceful, where they change their whole mind and thinking. get more education. >> larry: judge, how do people learn more about p.e.e.r.? >> they can call or go on the internet and visit ...

Through detox -- >> larry: in a prison? >> in a prison, yes, for a short time. i think it's important to lock them away from society so they can get clean. and then while they're getting clean, work on the psychological aspects that made them a drug user in the first place. >> you don't disagree, pat, with the drug having this p.e. p.e.e.r. system of trying to come out, do you? >> not at pull. i think sometimes we're confused over who deserves it and who doesn't. i would like to see a change in the prison system. i would like to see it not reflecting, for those who are not murderers, in my opi...