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problems. >> these should be actual cuts. real reforms to these programs, not broad deficit or deficit targets that punt the questions to the future. and with the exception of tax hikes which, in my opinion, will destroy america's jobs, everything is on the table. >> what serious conversation about debt reduction begins by absolutely taking the possibility or discussion of tax hikes off the table? >> not very many serious discussions. i remember when i was little, my dad took me to a car dealership, ali, and he said, this is how you buy a car. i remember they wrote numbers on a piece...

not broad deficit or deficit targets that punt the questions to the future. and with the exception of tax hikes, which in my opinion will destroy american jobs, everything is on the table. >> will, what serious conversation about debt reduction begins by absolutely taking the possibility or discussion of tax hikes off the table? >> not very many serious discussions. i don't know. i remember when i was little, my dad took me to a car dealership and said, this is how you buy a car. i remember they wrote the numbers down on a piece of paper and slid them across the table. my dad's offer...