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Same way. and everyone laughed at their, you know, signs of, you know, calling president obama a lion african instead of an african lion and they came with monkey dolls, and that kind of person then came like a de rigueur republican candidate. and i feel like the party is moving so far to the right. do you get a sense that whenever you're going from state to state to state that you are meeting sort of the rank-and-file republican base? >> well, it's always hard to get context with this. i speak with the people who are fanatics for whoever the rally is for, predominantly trump rallies or am i m...

>> let's see how they actually treated president obama. >> the reforms i'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally. >> is the time that we're going to send mr. obama home to kenya or wherever it is, we're going to do it. >> i don't want to even have to be associated with him, it's like touching a tar baby and you're stuck and you're part of the problem now. >> i mean, just having that -- a black man as president seemed to send your party insane. you had these tea parties where a lot of people had monkey dolls, where people were hanging them in effigy, the sarah palin parties ...

We cannot operate like this. we cannot have our politicians telling those that we represent that violence is okay. if you criticize the right-wing terrorists thast's bad. racism is okay. whatever you want to say is okay, just do be islamic. that is kind of where we are right now and the threats and attacks on me just goes with the flow, i think. >> i want to come back to you, rich. we saw with the rise of barack obama and his campaign, remember the monkey dolls, the witch doctor, the tea party portraying hy him. is it part of, is donald trump a continuum of an baobama-based

Them. black people were -- barack obama is the culmination of those anxieties in human form. it's the opposition to his person that animates a lot. to him and his policies i go back to 2007, 2008 when people were shows up with monkey dolls. what was that is supposed to be? is that not racial? >> and david mcauliffe, circulated a photo of obama as a witch doctor. maybe there's an argument on him as a member of the mel community that this is tied more to witch doctoring and medicine and obama care, but these images are incredibly loaded. i think many see that as a decidededly racist image. yet t...