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To just step down. >> i wonder if you agree? >> i do. i lived in richmond, virginia in the '70s and remember a lot of the racial strife. it's already come to a place where it is ungovernable for the governor to continue. there has been a lot of talk this weekend if northam has to resign what about this politician or that politician? we should remember, there is power in pictures. it is part of the reason that al franken is no longer in the senate. there is not talk or speculation about ralph northam, it is the pictures. that is what people are reacting to and ultimately why he will not be effe...

In black face. but i did as michael jackson. do you want to see my moon walk? >> there is a conversation, i don't think it's a perfect parallel with what we went threw with brett kavanaugh. totally different thing. i think he should resign. i don't think it's acceptable. but at the same time i'll say if your wife has to stop you from moon walking in the middle of an apology press conference, it did not go well. the fact that he was talking about putting shoe polish under his cheeks, it was unbelievable. howie: people are saying it was 35 years ago.

You can't have someone be all bad or all good, or with rare exceptions, let's say. weighing the entire situation, i feel a couple things. number one, the irony is that the largest lapse of judgment that i see, obviously horrible photos, but his management and reaction to the entire thing. to make, the largest demonstration of his inability to serve the people would be bungling this entire situation. this is how he reacts? is this the thoughtful, measured response we want from a governor? or is this someone -- >> greg: he almost was going to moonwalk when they asked about moonwalking. >> dana: ...

Talks about america having its beginnings in the mask, that black face isn't about black people, black face is about white people and we have to begin to interrogate what that means and northam gives us an opportunity to do that. >> so, kimberly, how do the democrats approach this? right now we have just about every democrat that matters in the united states saying he needs to step down and you have ralph northam giving his moon walk press conference and having to be talked out of moon walking by his wife suggesting he's still going to stay. so what's the next move? what's the next step for th...

About politics. it should be about doing the decent thing, the right thing. he never -- he doesn't seem to understand exactly what he did and why that photo, even if he is in the photo or not, it is on his yearbook page. he doesn't seem to grasp why that is so offensive, why that is so horrendous. he goes out and has a press conference. he denies what he said 24 hours prior. then he makes this weird comment and talks about how he wore blackface, he couldn't take the shine off his face, how hard it was, talks about moon walking. it was embarrassing and shameful and you are t and hurtful. yes, i...