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President and he's entitled to have his agenda go through and that's infrastructure plus reconciliation. the bipartisan deal is something that romney came up with and agreed with, but we need to get the whole president's agenda. this is not the bernie sanders agenda, the elizabeth warren agenda. this is what joe biden wants. the progressives are on board with the president's plan. the question is will moderates be on board and they will? we had a caucus call this morning. everyone is on board with the speaker's strategy. i didn't hear a single dissenting voice so i don't know who is reporting ...

But this is why i don't want him interviewing the president. >> it hurts their credibility, no question. as i look back and i look at these clips and i watch them from the sunday shows, i am thinking what on earth are we doing here. why are we listening to the president and his team speculate in real time about whether he might do something that they hasten to add he will never have to do it. to me it's an obvious, it's a crazy hypothetical. he would never come to that. next question, no comment. instead, trump doubles down and says you bet i can do it which is why we also do here debating the...

And it would lead to probably an immediate impeachment. house, senate will be under tremendous pressure. president trump has no need to do that. he didn't do anything wrong. >> thankfully the president hasn't done anything wrong and wouldn't have need for a pardon. >> shannon: matt schlapp, with "the hill." a.b. stoddard, guy benson. welcome to all of you. the president has tweeted a lot, as he always does. he says listen i've been told by numerous legal scholars i have the absolute right to pardon myself but why would i do that when i have done nothing wrong? >> this is basically what they ca...

Department, presumably those opinions would be binding upon him. that does not mean that if the president was determined by the special counsel 12 committed some crime for which he could be impeached, he could then be indicted. if he was found to have obstructed justice, once he is impeached, he's not in office and the opinion doesn't apply. he could be tried. >> shannon: those are the left raising the cry saying that he's an imperialist, he's going to do everything for himself and pardon himself, the constitution widely provides him that. >> the argument being made that the president is decla...

What are the president limits of the pardon power but there's also a question about whether a president can be indicted. i think what the founders and the writers of the constitution envisioned is that a politician the head of our government, president of the united states, chief executive, the best way to handle these questions is the impeachment process through the house with conviction and the senate. these questions about whether the president could be indicted, it hinges on this question of pardons and hinges on the question, it's really important, we have bob mueller acting much more lik...