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The ability to escape household relations that are homophobic and to create opportunity somewhere else is absolutely essential. that's why i've been so, you know, adamant that the lgbt movement needs to focus on economic issues as well. >> i'm skeptical that the progress so far tees off the economic justice movement. i think the earlier discussion threatened the money that's coming in is not threatening to corporate america, it's not threatening to heterosexual familial america which is why the gay revolution is having an easier time than the feminist movement did. i think that's the most impo...

Actually. but given that he's not and given the audience that he's talking to you, you don't see, as of yet, a lot of that kind of thing. the most manifestly bigoted reaction, the most manifestly anti-gay as opposed to anti-gay marriage or these couch terms, that's a sign of the progress. and the public opinion on this is shocking. this is something that you wrote a book about this. but there's very few things i can think of that have moved this quickly in terms of public opinion. >> it depends on what you mean by quickly. activists have been working on this issue since 1950. so actually, i'm ...

Eight states. joining us now the tom doyne. good morning, tom, great to have you here. >> good morning, great to be here. >> you're someone who has witnessed part of this history. i don't want to overstate your age. >> that's okay. i think you already said i spoke in your high school or elementary school? >> no, i said high school. but i stipulated you were 7 years old at the time. >> yes. [ laughter ] >> so when you think about -- i guess the first question is your reaction to what happened this week and how you see this set of victories in the broad sweep of history. does it feel like it's h...

Their economic power to try to get what they need from a society. so i actually admire that. it was very strategic and, particularly, for example, to mcgill and the people from the mcgill foundation have done a brilliant job. but at the end of the day, if you're in an arms race with the republican donors, you're going to lose. >> and i think it's important to remember that, look, in new york, you saw a situation where republican donors got together with a democratic donor to push through the progress that was passed here. and i think that ultimately, one of the defining parts that's not talked...

Supported, we see it within the islamic community is also moving towards not marginalizing discriminating against people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender for that matter. we are seeing enormous transformation there, as well. there are are terrible problems in many countries and we all to what we can to try to help there as well while we're working here in the united states. but the progress is rarely backwards. and even then it's only one step back and two steps forwards. even the discussion is helpful to is. it helps people to come out. it forces family tos to discus the issue. e...