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And it undermines it, i think more importantly, with our adversaries who use those statements to put out propaganda in their own nations. and then at home, the morale issue, it's so important that these people are sacrificing their lives, dedicating themselves to keeping america safe. and when they're challenged in a public forum, in a way that is -- appears to be critical, i think that really hurts. and it's not helpful, brian. >> katy tur, controversial story where you are the president has commuted the remaining sentence of chelsea manning, who as bradley manning gave the world really the b...

Demoralizing the cia but from my experience they're not snowflakes and professional in their position and will continue to do their job regardless of what the incoming administration would be saying about them publicly. i worked with administration who was disagreeing most of the time with our bottom line analysis up to the iraq war, but at the same time we held our own and remained professional. i have every faith that people still there will do the same thing. >> nada, what do you think of the number of leaks coming out? >> i think it's hugely problematic, it undermines legitimate investigat...

Demoralizing the cia, but i do know from my experience, they aren't snowflakes. they're very professional in their position. and they will continue to do their job regardless of what the incoming administration would be saying about them publicly. i mean, i worked with an administration who was disagreeing most of the time with our bottom line analysis, going up to the iraq war, but at the same time, we held our own. and we remained professionally. i have every faith that people who are still there will do the same thing. >> nada, what do you think about the number of leaks that are coming out...

I mean i live here in pennsylvania. hillary clinton lost pennsylvania because she was hillary clinton. she didn't lose because it any russians hacking in here. she lost because she didn't appeal to the working folks here in pennsylvania. >> just to jump in. >> zeke, jump in. these are two different things blaming the loss of an election or being just concerned that an aggressive foreign actor would have their thumb on the scale. >> that's exactly right. both of these things can be true. hillary clinton lost this election in part because she was a bad candidate and made some strategic errors an...

By this. this is real. this is 300,000 people who will be told to work and not get a salary. it's just a silly and dangerous way to deal with homeland security. >> there are a number of conservative republicans in the house sticking to their -- for lack of a better word, sticking to guns on this one. we heard over days now them saying it's not going to have an impact. you all say the sky is falling when it's not. i want you to separate fact from fiction. we did have the sequester. >> if the department of homeland security is "shutdown" even partially, how does it, does it threaten the nation's...