by this. this is real. this is 300,000 people who will be told to work and not get a salary. it's just a silly and dangerous way to deal with homeland security. >> there are a number of conservative republicans in the house sticking to their -- for lack of a better word, sticking to guns on this one. we heard over days now them saying it's not going to have an impact. you all say the sky is falling when it's not. i want you to separate fact from fiction. we did have the sequester. >> if the department of homeland security is "shutdown" even partially, how does it, does it threaten the nation's security? >> for a variety of means, one is obviously the morale issue we were talking about. secondly, there are nonessential employees. people that we view as not operational people and not out