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Resources and a morale killer to boot. joining me justice reporter julia julia. what did you katie, i think the we were talking i was on top of a van in arizona. >> you were? >> i was. there were 1500 troops behind me in arizona preparing for an invasion that wasn't coming. i asked the colonel why these people were here over thanksgiving, and if morale was an issue, if he was concerned about lowering the morale when they're here from a mission that's undefined. here's what he had to say. >> i would argue it helps build readiness. since it's football season and we have a lot of football fans on...

Mission that appeared to be set into action by the commander in chief determined to get his supporters to the polls. and a pentagon leadership unable to convince him of its perils. according to "the new york times" again, pentagon officials privately derided the deployment as an expensive waste of time and resources and a morale killer to boot. "the new york times" pentagon correspondent helene cooper, one of the articles of the article, joins us now. thank you very much. your article was very graphic. tell us for those who didn't read it this sunday about the situation about average g.i., if ...

>> well, it's a morale killer. i can tell you with my conversation with members of those communities, they're sort of bewildered. they've never served in an environment where they've been attacked by the president. they frankly despise politics, don't want to be involved. it's not something they're interested. they want to serve and uphold to rule of law. to be attacked like this is something that hurts morale. let me make clear, when the president does this, what he's saying is he doesn't want an exactly department of justice. he doesn't want an actual criminal justice system. he wants a phon...

Profoundly disturbing about this frame, and i don't think we should gloss over this and speed ahead and get back to whether or not he sits down with bob mueller. but the frame we should all stare at, the forest -- we shouldn't get lost staring at the trees in front of our face. he got exactly what he described to the "the new york times," he wants his guys, his roy cohn running the department of justice. it was clear before he was sworn in that was the kind he wanted at the intelligence -- running the intelligence community, too. he thought they were straacked against him because they were bri...

Truly affected? >> i don't labor leaders understand this. president trump is taking a forward step to protect this nation. when you look at congress, they've never served in the military. message they are holding the american people and military hostage based on their inability to come to a conclusion. trump came to the table as a negotiator and the democrats have come to the table if we don't care what we want we will not do anything and it's ultimately hurting us as american citizens. pete: how did the guys on the ground to this, trooper pulled types? this is a morale killer. let's remember ...