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Pelosi's response was predictable. i can promise you the more senseless are glad the president put something on the table. the third point i will make is i talked to the president for this issue for about an hour last week. if you bring a plan to him that doesn't include a wall it is dead as 4:00. >> okay. i'm not sure what that means but i think it means that the president is not negotiating on the money. democrats say the president is offering a temporary fix for daca and temp rir fix for tps in exchange for a permanent wall and they are not going for it. >> i'm kind of thinking 4:00 was off...

That i rejected? and the question to you really is, why did he reject that offer? is he someone who gets so easily influenced by, say, the twitter feed of someone like ann coulter that he gets poisoned by that and it turns his mind, he doesn't want that kind of bad pr among his base? >> that's right. the president does change his mind often and he is influenced by some of these individuals on conservative media. i do think there are probably some regrets in the white house about not taking advantage of a couple big opportunities they had in the last congress to advance immigration reform. but ...

Summarily reject the president's proposal. what they should do, they don't have to accept what the president is proposing. what they should do is make a counter offer. they claim a lot of us worked in the last congress to protect dreamers, to protect tps beneficiaries. here's an opportunity to say let's do something permanent for them or at least do six years instead of three years. just saying no is really going to turn off a lot of americans who aren't part of the democratic base. >> in terms of picking up on the word permanent, howard, democrats have been taking the stance that funding a bo...

Co correspondent. do you have an answer to the last question that kelly asked there or stated? did giuliani clear anything up today? >> he cleared something up in a sense that you have a statement on the record from the president's lawyer saying he did not do anything illegal in telling cohen to lie to congress which would be clear obstruction of justice. of course giuliani has said a lot of things and can contradict himself. the question is really whether people believe that and take him at that word. >> and i'm curious how significant you think it is. he has moved the goal post now on the mo...

No one has seen or none of the press has seen the documents that may have contributed to that. the question is what the special council knows about what trump may have talked to cohen about and whether there was any illegal activity. >> what's your take on that? >> well, the really extraordinary step makes me think that this is an area in which -- that may have been a read hearing. it doesn't look like there is something there to really latch onto at this point. i doubt that cohen will answer questions about this because the