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had 700 people dead. it's not dominating in the same way. in some ways it's indicative of the degree to which people's life chances have grown so disparate. [muttering] >> jessica: greg. what do you think of the point that obama was making? >> greg: it's like old professor morality question, why do you care less about the death of a large, people far away then someone you love. it's a false comparison. in this case you have one case of huge scale tragedy, grace period and the other is more intriguing because it's a salve that goes underwater, which they do, and risks people's lives. it's adventurous. it makes in a more interesting news rather story than the larger tragic one. a better comparison i think would be people who live safe lives but died the hands of people who take risks. at least the people that died in

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MSNBC Live With Richard Lui-20191221-23:35:00

feel that way. but just having to have a place to express it. >> susan, you know, the numbers are overwhelming when it comes to jevangelical support for the president. does this represent a crack? do you think this could change things? >> what i think is represents is an opportunity for that voting block maybe not to all come out in support of donald trump. they may not vote for the democrat. but they may stay home, which is a big concern for any republican running for president. so that could be certainly at donald trump's back. the other thing that's really important about this opinion piece is that it recognizes the fact that donald trump -- he -- i want to leave the morality question out of it. what he did was wrong. he -- he -- he defied the constitution. and he should be held accountable. because every time you don't hold him accountable, he thinks it's -- he got away with something. and i'm really tired of hearing all these people who said, well, donald trump, i don't like this or that. but i got judges.

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MSNBC Live With Richard Lui-20191221-21:35:00

and just haven't had a place to express it. >> susan, the numbers are overwhelming when it comes to evangelical support for the president. do you think this can change things? >> i think what it represents is an opportunity for that voting bloc maybe not to all come out in support of donald trump. they may not vote for the democrat, but they may stay home, which is a big concern for any republican running for president. so, that could be certainly if donald trump. the other thing that is really por important about this opinion piece is that it recognizes the fact that donald trump, i want to leave the morality question out of it. what he did was wrong. he defied the constitution and he should be held accountable. because every time you don't hold him accountable, he thinks he got away with something. i'm really tired of hearing all these people who said, donald trump. i don't like this or that. but i got judges. at some point you have to say, judges aren't enough.

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Tucker Carlson Tonight-20191130-05:13:00

but i don't think we are going to get to that point, so the exercise the far left out of their mess which i don't think is going to happen anytime soon. >> mark: let me go to that point you made about morality. it's one thing, if he genuinely believes that you can't distinguish between 300 million americans and the 6.7 billion people in the rest of the planet, that is one thing. maybe he believes that. but isn't there a more basic morality question that the essence of politics for an elected governor, for any kind of elected official, is that you resolve your differences at the ballot box, with people marking your name rather than cuccinelli's name. isn't he denying his own profession and just wanting to get into a fight over this? >> that is what they've been doing, they've been denying the will of the american people. they've denied the constitutional choice in electing trump. i mean, you would think that we would get back to acting like civilized people and accepting a transfer of power.

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Tucker Carlson Tonight-20191130-01:13:00

fifty-one of these major parties stop acting like little children but i don't think we are going to get to that point, so the exercise the far left out of their mess which i don't think is going to happen anytime soon. >> mark: let me go to that point you made about morality. it's one thing, if he genuinely believes that you can't distinguish between 300 million americans and the 6.7 billion people in the rest of the planet, that is one thing. maybe he believes that. but isn't there a more basic morality question that the essence of politics for an elected governor, for any kind of elected official, is that you resolve your differences at the ballot box, with people marking your name rather than cuccinelli's name. isn't he denying his own profession and just wanting to get into a fight over this? >> that is what they've been doing, they've been denying the will of the american people. they've denied the constitutional choice in electing trump. i mean, you would think that we would get back to acting like civilized people and accepting a

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190728:16:43:00

constitutional crisis? do we need to move forward? and they did. >> this seems to be the big million dollar question here, how shaw a moral case for impeachment be weighed against political strategy? why do republicans and democrats think about this morality question so differently? >> you heard me say as someone who thought marilyn garland should have had a hearing speaking out against the republicans, i thought those who stood up against the president was correct in declaring a national emergency and more should have voted for them. this was the same case. this is their governance. this is their constitutional responsibility. we have been having this conversation for three months now. what are the powers waiting for? they're supposed to do their job. if they believe there are unpeachable offenses, start impeachment. it's been three months and all we had was robert mueller

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190120:17:11:00

no one has seen or none of the press has seen the documents that may have contributed to that. the question is what the special council knows about what trump may have talked to cohen about and whether there was any illegal activity. >> what's your take on that? >> well, the really extraordinary step makes me think that this is an area in which -- that may have been a read hearing. it doesn't look like there is something there to really latch onto at this point. i doubt that cohen will answer questions about this because the

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190120:17:14:00

pelosi's response was predictable. i can promise you the more senseless are glad the president put something on the table. the third point i will make is i talked to the president for this issue for about an hour last week. if you bring a plan to him that doesn't include a wall it is dead as 4:00. >> okay. i'm not sure what that means but i think it means that the president is not negotiating on the money. democrats say the president is offering a temporary fix for daca and temp rir fix for tps in exchange for a permanent wall and they are not going for it. >> i'm kind of thinking 4:00 was offended. >> yeah. >> all right. thank you so much. appreciate that. same question to both of you. did the president succeed in shifting public pressure on democrats after yesterday's

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190120:17:54:00

that i rejected? and the question to you really is, why did he reject that offer? is he someone who gets so easily influenced by, say, the twitter feed of someone like ann coulter that he gets poisoned by that and it turns his mind, he doesn't want that kind of bad pr among his base? >> that's right. the president does change his mind often and he is influenced by some of these individuals on conservative media. i do think there are probably some regrets in the white house about not taking advantage of a couple big opportunities they had in the last congress to advance immigration reform. but here's the bottom line and i agree with susan, up until yesterday the president fully owned this shoutdoutdown becaus asked for it. he said in front of the country and speaker pelosi and leader schumer that he would be the one to shut down the government. however, yesterday he did take a step in the right direction and i think democrats were wrong to

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190120:17:08:00

co correspondent. do you have an answer to the last question that kelly asked there or stated? did giuliani clear anything up today? >> he cleared something up in a sense that you have a statement on the record from the president's lawyer saying he did not do anything illegal in telling cohen to lie to congress which would be clear obstruction of justice. of course giuliani has said a lot of things and can contradict himself. the question is really whether people believe that and take him at that word. >> and i'm curious how significant you think it is. he has moved the goal post now on the moscow project talks. >> sure. yeah. in terms of the timing of when trump was talking about that. you know, that's -- if trump was talking about the moscow deal up

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