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Substantive. they were very explicit with newt gingrich. what about all the baggage you bring to this campaign? they were very hot to tell michele bachmann she was called a flake by people. so, it acandidate that would come on would expect to be attacked, math lauer would read editorial from the "new york times" that woo a tack them. what we have seen in the last couple of weeks whether it's barack obama or michelle obama get these interviews on the morning show and they are not substantive interviews. they are about the kids and the garden and how are you? >> bill: that's what michelle obama ...

Very, very sympathetic to his message. so my question is, is it going to matter this time around that the network news, the morning programs are really going to get on his train again? will that matter? >> well, it will help him. having these network morning news shows, which reach a lot of people. basically doing sympathetic coverage is helpful. but my -- bill, i think these kinds of things, while they can have an effect. are going to be overwhelmed by the public sentiments about issues such as you talked about in the earlier segment in with karl rove on the economy and other major issues. th...

Very, very sympathetic to his message. so my question is, is it going to matter this time around that the network news, the morning programs are really going to get on his train again? will that matter? >> well, it will help him. having these network morning news shows, which reach a lot of people. basically doing sympathetic coverage is helpful. but my -- bill, i think these kinds of things, while they can have an effect. are going to be overwhelmed by the public sentiments about issues such as you talked about in the earlier segment in with karl rove on the economy and other major issues. th...

good morning. it is thursday, november 10. well tomorrow to "american morning." if you went to sleep early last night or at all, everything is different this morning. >> it really is. first crash of the titan penn state football coach joe paterno out after 46 years as the head man in happy valley. paterno was fired along with the university president over a child sex scandal involving paterno's former assistant jerry sandusky. the decision came hours after paterno said he would finish out the season and then retire. instead penn state's board of trustees brought the hammer down. >> t...

and so it's with great respect that i speak of him and proud to say that i worked for him. >> it's been a seismic cascade of events since last weekend's arrest of a former penn state defensive coordinator on charges of raping and molesting a number of other boys. two of the university officials are charged with failure to report those crimes. paterno is charged with nothing, but says he wishes that he had done more than simply tell his superiors what an assistant reported to him back in 2002. i want to go now to penn state campus and cnn's jason carroll. jason, we know it was a prett...