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Spoken hato, to form the basis the complaint. we have not been able to piece together all those people. and talking to all those people is important. and there's a lot of them -- i'm running out ofhe time here. but, you know, there's a reference to lutsenko in the whistle-blower complaint. where witnesses have told us it's likelyse shokin. vindman and morrison's testimony about why they went to talk to the lawyers. very different reasons.ey >> the gentleman's time has expired. >> i don't believe he was on the call. >> mr. goldman, as a member of the intelligence committee, i saw significant fi...

Being withheld at the time of the call even though that doesn't even matter. but -- and then finally, there was no white house meeting ever provided. so the -- the third -- or fourth fact. so i -- ith do think that that just needs to be clarified, particularly as we're focusing on what direct evidence is. >> well, let's -- let's get some more examples. weso also heard the testimony o three of the individuals who participated in the july 25 call. is their testimony direct evidence of what happened during that call? >> yes,ju although i would say e call record is better evidence than b their -- ...

Evidencehe shows. based on the morrison testimony, the taylor testimony, the sondland testimony, and the texts. so that's very important to understand. that whatever we want to say aboutve hearsay or whatever. that is direct evidence. >> and that is precisely the kind of betrayal our founders sought to prevent. i yield back tos myself. and i'll recognize the gentleman from virginia. >> madam chair. you -- you indicated to me that you would allow me to make my uniform consent after you had asked your questions. so i'd ask for uniform consent -- or excuse me, unanimous consent -- to introduce tw...

>> and, in fact, i'd like to put some of the testimony that i believe you might be referencing, mr. goldman, on the rereen in front of you. bothfr from mr. holmes, as wells dr. fiona hill. and i will quotedr from her testimony. i am very confidentro based on l the analysis that is done that thet ukraine government did no interfere in our election in 2016. this is a fictional narrative that is being perpetrated and propagated by the russian services themselves. do you recall that testimony? >> iec do. i also recall her testifying that there are officials from countries all around the world who ...

I quote, no quid pro quo on september 7th in a call with ambassador sondland. mr. goldman, did you receive testimony about the september 7th call? >> yes. we received testimony from three witnesses about it. and it gets a little complicated. but that -- that -- that was a consistent refrain through all of the witnesses is that the president did say no quid pro quo. >> let's try to clarify it a little bit. ambassador sondland described that call to mr. morrison that same day, correct? >> that's right. >> and mr. morrison then reported it to ambassador taylor. correct? >> that's correct. yes. >>...