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Ambassador said. that's hardly comfortable for democrats. >> one of the big lessons here is that free and fair elections, as this was deemed by all outside observers, including the united states, does not mean democracy. what morsi was running was not a democratic system. it was majoritarian, not inclusive. and that was eating away at the core of what we call democracy. it's a lesson we've seen before. we've seen it with hamas in gaza, that elections are one thing, but that does not mean a democratic outcome. >> chuck todd just back from africa with the president. this administration again, as...

>> well, i mean there is no blueprint. and even critics of what the white house are saying privately admit that there is no clear-cut answer here. you know you got to do this. they made the decision not to cut off aid. so why did they do that? by saying it is not a coup. had they done that, that would have kick in some things so they made that decision. their first pry or here is to somehow convince them to let morsi go. they know if there is any chance -- and they do plan on being a lot more involved in the building of this phase two, whatever we want to call it, second chance at building an ...

Pro-mupro pro-muslim brotherhood, pro-islamic state. but there are a whole lot more egyptians out there who want change and they don't think that change is coming fast enough. >> wes, this brings up -- the question being whether to call this a coup or not a coup has i think put a the lot of people -- we found ourselves at a crossroads. to a certain degree, a large part of the egyptian population didn't want to see morsi go. there is also the argument that if you don't like what is happening in a democracy, you do not tear apart the threads that hold the democratic institution together to get -...

And i had like to talk about when is a coup not a coup for a second. because it seems that it divides along two lines. if we say it's a coup, it shows we're abiding by u.s. law and we shouldn't be backing what pretty much looks like a coup. the other rule of thought is let's find a way around this because it gives us leverage with the military to ease up, to back off the muslim brotherhood, maybe let morsi go. where do you fall? >> i don't think it's a black and white issue. there were members of the old regime and certainly the military decided -- made the

Gave power back right away, the ambassador said. that's already hardly comforting for democrats. >> one of the big lessons here is that free and fair elections, as this was deemed by all outside observers, including the united states, does not mean democracy. what morsi was running was not a democratic system. it was majoritarian, not inclusive. not pluralistic. and that was eating away at the core of what we call democracy. it's a lesson we've seen before. we've seen it with hamas in gaza, that elections are one thing, but that does not mean a democratic outcome. >> chuck todd just back from ...