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>> for the next year it's going to be nancy pelosi with chuck on the side. mostly pelosi. >> he didn't have a good first matchup. >> he didn't. it's going to make the next one nastier. he did not enjoy losing. match up with her. >> he did not enjoy losing. >> we can have a debate about nancy pelosi's long-term effectiveness. she might be qualified. think of her generation. she's dealt with men like him her whole life. >> professional life. we are talking a woman who grew up in baltimore, machine politics. she is tough in a way he hasn't dealt with. >> against a conventional president, maybe no...

Referee of the democratic primary. >> for the next year it's going to be nancy pelosi with chuck on the side. mostly pelosi. >> he didn't have a good first matchup. >> he didn't. it's going to make the nexther. >> which will make the next one easier. >> there's a -- we can have a debate about pelosi's long-term effectiveness. she might be uniquely qualified to -- think about her generation, and trump is from her generation. she's dealt with men like him her whole life. >> and a woman who grew up in baltimore machine politics. he's tough in a way he hasn't dealt with. >> i understood against a ...