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This book? >> nicolle, this has always been the tension on bannon's mind. on the one hand there is the doubt he harbors about trump's leadership, the people trump surrounds himself with and their qualifications, that includes first and foremost trump's children and his son-in-law, jared kushner. and on the other hand you have bannon's belief in the trump movement and the ideas that trump ran on, and this notion that the people trump represented finally had a voice. and so reconciling those two conflicting impulses was always very difficult for steve. and his frustrations spilled out in a rathe...

All of that stuff that trump's playing to. it is offensive and i've got to say back to sheriff joe, that he conducted himself in a lawless way over many years and sheriff down there and a lot of people didn't like him. and he disobeyed the orders of a judge. that's just lawlessness, i am very much concerned about this, but i'm not surprised. because last november, december, newt gingrich was mouthing off in interview with me at npr about how president trump could pardon anybody he wanted to who engaged in unethical behavior. i guess police brutality, obstruction of justice, contempt of court, ...

Up -- that would be a spectacular plot that somebody hatched. these are individual people who had conversations, corroborated conversations at the time. they're all in the same category as these other cases we've all covered. we know that they're out there. it's very hard for you to slough them off. in the middle of the campaign when it was hillary's i mails and all those things, things got diverted. he has opened up these th can of worms by going after franken. >> do you think it's fair to be playing the access hollywood tape over and over again? there has been a lot of attention in recent da...

Is a tick that donald trump uses all the time. when melania was asked about what happens to her husband, somebody hits him, she said when somebody hits my husband he hits back ten times harder. that's a basic sort of template response that donald trump uses, regularly in his rhetoric with people. so there's no reason to believe that it's correlated to direct policy there. this is just the president mouthing off. >> here's one -- >> -- correlates with the way he views the world in general. >> john, here's why -- one of the reasons why it is so important, what his words mean. these are american ...

He's compartmentalized his staff. there are others looking at paul manafort, and others in trump orbit. designed squarely to look at the social media aspect of this investigation. he's not dumb. he's quite expert at and we're beginning to see all the wheels turning now. >> carol, ken vogel who is a frequent guest on this broadcast, goes out to lunch with a source. and imagine his good luck to look over and see not one, but two lawyers for the president. many of us, this is the picture he took with his cell phone. that's ty cobb on the right with the handle bar mustache. many of us engaged in s...