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Are standing right now. i'm not sure that the regime of hosni mubarak really understands what is happening. this is a man who has ruled for 30 years with an iron fist under emergency law that allows him to arrest people and do whatever he wants to those people in detention, and no one could raise their voices against it. for the first time in their lives, you have hundreds of thousands of people who have been raising their voices. i think tonight feels they have just been stepped on yet again, and that this is just a slap in the face by the mubarak regime. frankly we heard nothing different fr...

Accountable state apparatus that can draw in people from all points of view, and in this case create a movement going forward. egypt can be a model of a peaceful transition, i think. >> do you believe that any peaceful transition in a country can actually happen in reality if you turf out leaders after 30 years. he's been in many people's eyes pretty good to the west and pretty good allies. is that a sensible way to proceed, or do you think the sensible way is the way president obama seems to prefer, a gradual transition, where mu bake is allowed to stay for a while, everything calls down and ...

Egypt can be a model of a peaceful transition, i think. >> do you believe that any peaceful transition in a country can actually happen in reality if you turf out leaders after 30 years. he's been in many people's eyes pretty good to the west and pretty good allies. is that a sensible way to proceed, or do you think the sensible way is the way president obama seems to prefer, a gradual transition, where mu bake is allowed to stay for a while, everything calls down and leaves with some dignity and honor, which a lot of people in america thinks he's earned, even though he -- >> i personally thin...