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His pastor growing up was dr. norman vince ent peel. he thinks that by the words that he says, being reshape reality. this is a war over reality. by demonizing the press, he's trying to tell his followers, what i say is the reality, not what you see with your own eyes. >> karine when you hear that, we're looking at the very basic reasons, justification and rationale that united states always upheld as the principles that the country was founded on. we know they didn't always live up to those principles. but to undermine even the thought that the president is going to openly come out against fr...

The polls. i think it's really important to underscore here that whether you are just sort of ardently anti-trump or not, this war on the truth is dangerous to the fundamentals of democracy. timothy snyder, the yale historian in that little book he wrote that became a best seller on tyranny, noted that if you don't defend the truth, you can't hold power accountable because there is -- there are no facts on which you can base an argument for what they're doing wrong. i think it's the case that the trump administration is trying to muddle reality, to throw all sorts of untruths out there to the ...

Giuliani is the latest in trump world who seems to be living in a different reality. back with us is e.j. dion, karine jean pierre and richard painter. it seems to be a consistent and a repetitive mantra from the trump world that the truth is not the truth. reality is not reality. dew point believe anything that they're saying. leave out reality. i mean, you just saw giuliani this morning. kelly anne conway and the president himself. this is the kind of atmosphere that we're going into the midterm elections. we're not just combatting whether or not one is going on the left or the right. we're ...

Favor now how she will get her respect back in the community, some people will respect her, some people will believe her, some people won't, some people will never forgive her but i think the reality is that she knew what donald trump was like and she had to know before she got fired. >> i think that the issue for me is not what will happen to her, the issue is what you just said, it will in many ways validate what a lot of us are saying. i know donald trump, 10 when i was saying it i was talking as one that knew him and even she said this morning you ended up being right, rev, not meeting wit...