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And the special committee that was investigating campaign finance violations, oversight responsibilities, they had hearings that brought out facts, that people couldn't ignore. and that's when the republicans started going, oh, i know the president says he's not a crook, but he sure looks like one. so the facts do matter and they persuaded the republicans to end up going to the president and saying, if you do not resign, we will convict you in the senate. it was not an easy choice. but the facts do matter and public education is the key to what's going to happen. and i think barbara is correct...

Historical residence of all of this. >> i was asked to come and testify and i think that the house wants to just gain a better understanding of the significance of the acts described in the mueller report. and so having been a prosecutor and handling obstruction of justice cases, also as a u.s. attorney and supervising obstruction of justice cases, i've seen memos like robert mueller's and i can share that appearance and try to put in context the significance of those acts. >> i don't want you to give up the goose and preview too much of your testimony, but what will success look like to you? ...

Commentary on what it says that i think some of the facts they have been lost. i think a success would be an understanding of the facts that are in that report and the seriousness of them. i did sign the letter along with 1,000 other federal prosecutors that said that if the president were not precluded from being charged with a crime, i would have fully expected that memo to ended with, therefore i recommend charging obstruction of justice in at least four counts. >> jill, you might have a question for barb, but i want to ask you about the nature of this. we've had this conversation about the...

That afternoon was a tremendous disappointment to me because it was quite clear that the cover-up as far as the white house was concerned was going to continue. >> the top republican on the house judiciary committee says the hearing could violate decency rules in congress and it appears to be part of a strategy to turn them into a mock impeachment inquiry. it is out of order for a member of congress to express an opinion even a third party opinion accusing the president of a crime. democrats say this is the first of several hearings that will focus on what we have seen of the mueller report. a...

You know, feel like there's this appalling degree of impunity right now. this isn't the first time she's said he could face prosecution after he's no longer president. >> in "politico" magazine, they talk about the path to do this. this isn't a pie in the sky thing. there is a case to be made when you look at the obstruction laid out in the mueller report. picking up off of what michelle was saying, there's the political messaging, there's some reality here as well. >> i think the time for political messaging is fast fleeting and that the balance has gone from maybe we have to weigh the politi...