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For months now, but he is going to as any client would take the advice of his counsel. so if counsel and mueller cannot reach a deal, time, location, parameters for this, what happens? >> at that point if there is no deal, then mr. mueller has the option of subpoenaing the presidents, and i'm sure that mr. trump will resist the subpoena. the precedents suggest that presidents do have to respond at least to the respective documents and they can be required to testify under oath in a civil deposition even as sitting as president. but those same cases say that the government's interest in getting...

We near the midterm elections. it sounds like that is something of an acute interest to rudy giuliani as he develops and executes this strategy. >> the president's lawyers are looking closely at mueller. rudy giuliani has said mueller cannot send a report to congress after september 1st, when he'll be entering into what giuliani calls comey territory, referencing how the former fbi director had sent a letter to congress shortly before the 2016 election, reopening the clinton e-mail investigation. what the president's lawyers are trying to do is ensure that if there is a report, it's after the ...

Was doing a bad job on the recommendation in part of rosenstein, but you see it as obstructing the investigation, then you can say it's obstruction. >> a lot to talk about there. let's do that. peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" back with us tonight. also back with us tonight, jill wine-banks, attorney and former assistant watergate special counsel. jill, watching that kind of slack-jawed, if they regard as a victory that they've got mueller to limit to two categories the questions for them, collusion and obstruction, that's like saying you got a tornado to a...

>> lot to talk about there and let's do that. peter baker chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" back with us tonight. also back with us jill wine-banks assistant and former watergate counsel. watching that kind of slap jawed, if they have mueller limited to two categories, the questions for them, collusion and obstruction, that's like saying you've got a tornado to agree to death and destruction only. what does that mean? >> well, i think you were right when you said in the beginning that this has all come down to a lot of p.r., and you have an unanswered accusations from gi...

Obstructing the investigation as opposed to removing a guy who was doing a bad job on the recommendation in part of rosenstein, but you see it as obstructing the investigation, then you did say it's obstruction. >> a lot to talk about there. let's do that. peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" back with us tonight. also back with us tonight, jill wine-banks, attorney and former assistant watergate special counsel. jill, watching that kind of slack-jawed, if they regard as a victory that they've got mueller to limit to two categories the questions for them, collu...