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Manafort's attorney says mueller's evidence merely demonstrates a lack of consistency in mr. manafort's recollection of certain facts and event. what do we know about the evidence against him? >> well, we haven't seen what evidence mueller has, but if he's willing to file this and he is willing i understand to produce witnesses if he has to, he knows for a fact that manafort was in contact with a russian agent or someone connected to russian intelligence and passing polling data. and this really goes to the heart of collusion. so you can probably see why manafort doesn't really want any of tha...

Now. roger stone is a friend of the president. i suspect everything he hears by the special counsel gets relayed to team trump. what does rudy giuliani know that we don't? >> i think people like roger stone, jim corsi, people like that, have been providing information to the president's lawyers. jared kushner and donald trump jr.'s attorneys are also sharing information. but i think you're right, what you're seeing is there is sort of a closing in of the circle here, and what it means is that the president's lawyers are ever more in the dark because they don't know what else mueller has. he ma...

Negotiating what are higher than fair market rates. it was $107 million. the most that was ever raised for any inauguration, and really what's at issue is the illegality of pay to play. did foreign nationals give money to curry favor with the incoming trump administration, and was there overcharging by the trump inauguration committee, excuse me, to the trump inauguration committee by the trump organization and so really there's going to be a lot of discovery that's going to go if there's this investigation. they're going to look at the financials. they're going to be able to see what's going ...

Yodelled, and bit him in the ass. i don't know why the president would ever associate himself with this guy. >> okay, but he did for a dozen years. he relied on him for these sorts of things. and i want to ask you, because, again, it sounds to me pretty loudly and clearly what you're saying is that cohen is such an idiot that what he says can't be trusted. prosecutors did say that he lied. we all know he's a liar, senator, okay? but federal prosecutors describe cohen, the information he provided on this issue, the information he has provided has been credible and consistent with other evidence...

Know, mueller has, is going to tell us everything about what -- you know, the importance of this -- of these lies. because you have to wonder, why was he lying about these contacts? >> you know, shimon, president trump's personal lawyer for a decade-plus, michael cohen, was also in touch with russian officials on a deal to build that trump tower in moscow, which never got off the ground. now mueller is zeroing in on that deal, though, as part of his russia investigation. tell us why. >> yeah, so first of all, i think it's what's important to note here is that many people have been lying all ar...