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It's a situation where mcgahn has realized that he has to do everything possible to prove to mueller that there is nothing here to hide, that he is a complete, open book to him. and he has continued to have discussions with mueller that the white house does not know about, that have not been reported back to the white house, that the white house does not appreciate the extent of. and as i was saying before, we still don't understand the full depth and breadth of what mcgahn has given to mueller, but it was certainly sachgs that mcgahn was afraid that if he did not go in and show everything tha...

For the purpose of getting information about clinton. the meeting turned into a meeting -- >> which in itself is attempted collusion. >> no, it's not. >> you just said. it was intended to get dirt on hillary clinton from a kremlin lawyer. >> no, it wasn't. >> that was the intention of the meeting. you just said it. >> that was the original intention of the meeting. it turned out to be a meeting about another subject and it was not pursued at all. and of course any meeting with regard to getting any information on your opponent is something any candidates staff would take. if someone said i hav...

Enforcement officers watching this and folks will look at this and say will this have political consequences in the fall? that's something we'll have to watch. >> josh, there was substance, a little bit, that snuck in to all of the incendiary environment and, you know, peter strzok couldn't say a lot because it was an open hearing. he said the fbi had advised him not to say much because this is an ongoing investigation into what russia did with the trump campaign. he did explain why they opened the investigation to begin with. >> i think trying to keep this at a level not talking about open in...

Yet there was also substance. let me play the moment where he explains the red case for why they opened an investigation into russia and the trump campaign. here is that moment. >> the information that we had that was alleged a russian offer of assistance from the trump campaign, was extraordinary significance. it was an extraordinary and credible source. senator, what did you hear at this hearing? what did we learn from it? >> alisyn, this was clearly a show put on by the republicans. mr. strzok has certain views, he was very open about that, the question is not his personal political views, ...

Way of participating in the information. none of that was made available before the investigation. so i think we're really being distracted by this hearing, and i think that was probably the main purpose to try to raise questions again about the mueller information. >> that point came out so loud and clear yesterday. . yes he had bias, the text messages revealed that, but he never december closed or leaked the investigation about the trump campaign. and because they knew, that was in some measure -- helped president trump win.