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Americans thinking of him as this very serious legal voice, when in fact he doesn't have a lot of experience in civil defense law and it's not clear that he has a strategy for mueller other than a tv strategy. >> he has a communication strategy. first of all that clip in a me, too era, is just discombugustin just have to say that out loud. and also something that we know about giuliani is that he is very interested in being a public persona. for him, he gets to be on tv, he gets to be on tv constantly, he gets to drive news. he's not playing a legal game, as we though, he's playing a communica...

>> maybe completely misplaced. >> it may have nothing to do with mueller other than robert mueller making a criminal referral and then up to the sitting u.s. attorney to decide. what is so strange about this is the president is sort of drawing this conspiracy theateory. and so you know, i don't believe that the u.s. attorneys or the fbi is bias. but if he believes people are politically motivated it makes no sense. >> what also stuck out to me is how the president characterized this raid saying the fbi broke into cohen's office, the fbi had a warrant issued by a judge. >> that is a good point.

Be anything. >> it does give the case for the investigation. >> i think one of the questions it's going to raise on the hill, too, is the president was so defensive of mike flynn. there was a suggestion in the journal's story that, look, this may have been flynn operating under his own auspices, is may not have been in his role connected to the campaign. >> not only did they deny a link, they suggested if there was a link, he acted on his own. >> if you go back and watch jim comey's testimony, for example, significant because the president asked him to back off michael flynn. i think there is ...

And, you know, the trump side speaks as if it has been proved that there was no collusion. in fact, it is just being investigated. again, there is no smoke. it may not pan out, it may not be anything. >> it does give the case for the investigation. >> i think one of the questions it's going to raise on the hill, too, is the president was so defensive of mike flynn. there was a suggestion in the journal's story that, look, this may have been flynn operating under his own auspices, is may not have been in his role connected to the campaign. >> not only did they deny a link, they suggested if the...