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York district attorneys expected to charge manafort seemingly checkmating him. but before on the sentencing memo, you covered and reported extensively on what we learned, these tea leaves we glean about the mueller problem. as joyce referenced, we learned in some of the testimony in the transcript from a closed-door hearing that at least in andrew weissmann's mind, the contacts between manafort and kilimnik are at the center of the mueller probe. what does that sort of predict or foreshadow in terms of what we might see today? >> well, i think we don't exactly know but certainly anything that ...

Kilimnik are central to what's being prosecuted. i don't know that we'll learn more in this sentencing memo. we could. the interesting possibility -- and we just don't know if it will come to pass or not -- would be if there is some sort of a conspiracy indictment in the works or if the report that goes up to the hill that goes to the attorney general first, if that's referencing conspiracy, that may be the point at which we learn what these conversations between kilimnik and manafort amounted to. >> carol, i want to ask you about news today that the new york district attorneys expected to cha...

These legal fees have been mounting and he's having a hard time paying them. i think making money is a top priority, and he uses social media to do that and he plays the victim card to do that. >> very interesting. joining me now, nbc news intelligence national security reporter ken dilanian to talk a little more about this as well. i've got to tell you, ken, one feature of some of this coverage we've done the mueller problem broadly has been judge is getting very irritated by the bad behavior of various people who have been indicted for various things. this just seems like an incredibly bad p...

Prosecutorial theory at the heart of the mueller problem is and these questions about operatives to russian intel, konstantin kilimnik and manafort but not just that, the lies told about those contacts. pick up on schiff's comment and pick up on what's played out this week, the revelation that the lies about the contacts with russians are what's at the heart of the mueller probe. >> well, i think the most significant thing about this week, nicolle, is the deep state conspiracies that there's a vast deep conspiracy to paint all of these folks as liars and agents of a foreign power, we had a u.s...

I'm joined by phone by former federal prosecutor paul butler who worked in the anti-corruption section of the d.c. federal prosecutor's office. here with me on set, my colleague and a reporter on the mueller problem, tom winter, tracks many of these issues for us. paul butler, can you hear me? >> i can hear you loud and clear, ari. >> your view of the significance of this and then tom is going to walk us through the three things mueller won on. >> taking a look, a really quick look obviously at the judge's ruling, it's not a slam dunk for mueller but what he lost on is almost as interesting as...