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Investigation or witnesses. now the president is blocking them right now so democrats are doing this sort of, you know, trying to circumvent the white house by bringing in people from another administration who might be able to sort of speak to obstruction of justice and whether that occurred here, but i don't know that this is going to really move public opinion. i don't know that it's really going to move members of congress because frankly john dean, he wasn't a big part of this, and he wasn't part of it at all. >> right. but when we hear nadler talk about having deep actually read parts of...

More restless democrats talking about this report if it's proven true that exerts more pressure on her. so she i think is at a place where she's got to figure out how to maintain control of this restless caucus, which she's done pretty good so far. but, again, this report, if true, changes the dynamics for her quite a bit. >> by think the difficulty that pelosi faces and what you heard from chris murphy is this angst the democrats feel because they've got plenty of progressives in the party who are ready to go to begin a impeachment proceeding. but only by trailing mule doer you have the prosp...

Treat him as a credible source. if that's right, why would mule doer that? >> coarsy, this is prosecution 101. coarsy's the little fish. stone's the bigger fish. and trump is the biggest fish. coarsy is the connection to stone. stone had personal interaction with trump. you flip coarsy on stone, you try to flip stone on the president. >> we're in florida. i would say coarsy is sort of maybe the bottom-feeding fish. and kendall roger stone is the little bird living off the alligator's tooth decay. then trump may or may not, because i never prejudge an investigation, trump may or may not be the ...